Sunday, August 16, 2009


Heroine Pilots in SF: Too Many or Not Enough?


Marianne de Pierres Dark SpaceIn a review last year at Calico Reaction of Marianne de Pierres’ DARK SPACE: BOOK 1 OF THE SENTIENTS OF ORION, blogger Shara Saunsaucie White states the following while setting up the book’s premise:

“…Baronessa Mira Fedor is on the run after she learns that her innate, inborn talent to fly ships (really? ANOTHER ONE? What IS it with women writers and this particular device?***) is going to be stolen from her.”

And here’s the footnote:

“*** = Not that I haven't enjoyed the ones I've read. But I never paid attention to this plot device until someone told me how overused it was when Grimspace was released, and then I realized that Catherine Asaro uses it, as does Kristin Landon, and now I see it everywhere. Every time I consider an SF written by a woman, it uses this device…at this point in my reading, I'm finding it a cliched convention.”

I thought it fascinating that the three authors Ms. White referenced were ones who write SFR. But are heroines with the innate ability to pilot starships really such a cliché? Already?

Aguirre DoubleblindColor me blissfully indifferent, but I didn’t see the connection between the heroines in the books of Asaro, Aguirre, and Landon until Ms. White pointed it out (I came across the review of DARK SPACE a few months ago). I’m bemused by the connection more than anything, especially since I read a number of the books in question within the same year. Perhaps it’s just a case of one reader’s pet peeve, or simple odd coincidence to read about similarly enhanced heroines several times in a row.

But I do wonder: Are these heroines any different from all the heroes with the same ability? After all, in the stories of the authors noted above, both male and female characters possess such talents (even if only in passing reference). Why does it become a plot device when heroines across several books share a similar ability?

My feeling is that it’s not so much of a plot device as a case of heroines playing catch up when it comes to the roles traditionally cast with heroes. In SF, authors such as de Pierres, Asaro, et. al. are simply leveling the playing field.

If male authors are writing these characters, I haven’t encountered them (but I’d love to know about such books). Which begs the question, why aren’t men writing these characters? And if they were, would it be a plot device then?

Well, I don’t know if I care about the answers to those last two questions. Let the guys do what they want. Women authors are taking charge with these types of heroines and I say go for it, no matter how many we end up with.

Joyfully yours,

Heather


35 comments:

Kimber An said...

Oh, beerrruther, I say there aren't enough female pilots anywhere, especially in SFR.

For the record, my pilot-husband says, in his opinion, women are more naturally suited to piloting aircraft for many reasons. For example, women are more naturally suited to multi-tasking. He says it's a shame they don't receive the same encouragement and support as men to become and remain pilots. For example, a pilot's spouse must be infinitely flexible with work schedules, at least for the first few years. However, men are less likely to be accomadating to a pilot-wife with an ever-changing work schedule than women are to pilot-husbands. This is a cultural thing. Women are raised to be supportive of their husbands' careers, but men are not so much.

Men are raised and applauded to be risk-takers, but not women. If a father pilots a fighter jet, he's a hero. If a mother pilots a fighter jet, she's irresponsible and reckless.

I say bring on the female pilots, especially in SFR. The subgenre is more often than not associated with futuristic societies in which humanity has grown out of such cultural bias. One of the major appeals of SFR to readers, I believe, is this cultural evolution.


Tez Miller said...

Maybe this is the Leela Effect - and of course I'm referring to Futurama's spaceship captain, Leela. Authors realised how awesome she is, and then were inspired, etc...???


Anne Elizabeth Baldwin said...

{thoughtful look} Of the three you mentioned, I've looked over Ms. Landon's The Hidden Worlds. I fear I had my patience strained in a surprisingly similar way. I call it surprising because it's for almost the opposite reason. The hero is very surprised the gal is a pilot because everyone knows only gusy of the right breeding can be pilots. She's neither of the right family, nor of the right sex.

Oh, really? I'd hoped we'd grown out of that line of thinking after a few Sword and Sorceress anthologies. {lop-sided smile}

(Especially considering that I've heard that fighter pilots are statistically more likely to father girls than boys. If their skills run in the family, it's only a matter of time before that particular gender barrier is history. {chuckle, AMUSED SMILE})

Anne Elizabeth Baldwin


Anne Elizabeth Baldwin said...

P.S. As I think about it, I'm not sure whether the study I alluded to in parentheses was looking at fighter pilots, or test pilots. It's been a while since I read that. All I remember clearly is that they were looking at some group of pilots who specialized in breaking a few sound barriers while getting up to speed. {SMILE}

Anne Elizabeth Baldwin


Kimber An said...

Anne, it certainly seems to be true at my husband's airline that male pilots father more girls. So far, my husband has fathered FOUR. One of the other guys has father SIX. Alaskans are heavily dependent on the aviation industry, we tend to have larger than average families, and continuing the family business seems popular too. It seems statistically possible we have or will have more female pilots than average up here.
;) In my observation, flying is genetic!


Kristin Landon said...

I have lots to say on this topic (obviously), but I wanted to begin by mentioning that I have read and enjoyed Catherine Asaro's work very much.

As for Ann Aguirre, her books and mine were pretty much written at the same time, so we can't have influenced each other. I haven't yet read her series because mine was also continuing and I was aware of the similar basic premise.

So I'm speaking only about what I know best: my own books. I didn't pull the "women can't be pilots" idea from the Shelf of Hoary Cliché, or even order it in from Poughkeepsie; it was a consequence of the future I designed. In my heroine's case, her culture was subsistence-level and the work that kept everyone alive was so dangerous and long-term that it wasn't compatible with bearing and rearing children, also an essential task. It seemed logical that the culture would return to thinking of women as best suited for keeping the house and children (and everything else land-based) going while the men fished.

In my hero's case, I imagined a secretive future brotherhood that was arrogantly exclusive of just about everyone.

Sometimes a cliché isn't really a cliché; it's just a logical result of sets of basic conditions that are common in human history and that it seems probable will rise again in the future.

And, of course, any obstacles a writer can devise are likely to be used against her characters! Mine, anyway. They should probably unionize.


Writer and Cat said...

When you're writing SF or SFR, I think it's pretty natural to have one of your protagonists be a pilot. Chances are they're going to be doing some spaceship travel, and unless you put them at another pilot's mercy, they'll want to have those skills themselves. Nobody would have noticed (IMO) if it had been the dude who was the pilot. It's just that it's so unusual for a female character to step out of the communication officer / healer role.


Lisa said...

I'm going to bring up the elephant in the room: Luke Skywalker. How often was it mentioned in all six Star Wars movies that being Force-sensitive was what made a truly great pilot? That "feeling it" or "going with your gut" was the unexplainable element that made Anakin and Luke such great pilots.

I think the female protagonist as pilot idea has come up from two major sources -

(1) there is always some unique quality about the hero/heroine. I haven't yet read Ms. Landon's The Hidden Worlds, but giving the heroine this ability in a society where women never fill this role plays right into the "hero is special" idea.

(2) Aviation is just really cool, whether your protagonist is male or female. I don't think the trend is so much that we're seeing so many female pilots as much as we're just seeing a lot of characters who are pilots. Space is a big place and in any kind of space opera pilots are important people.


Liana Brooks said...

Jack Campbell's Lost Fleet series has several female commanders and captains running warships in space. So, yes, men write these characters and do it well.

But maybe the reviewer was referencing the "innate, inborn talent to fly ships" - I find that bit hard to swallow. Piloting takes time, patience, and training. The average human being does not wake up one morning, look at a plane's console, and know what to do. The idea that someone could be a pilot with zero training would annoy me too.

Otherwise, I don't see a problem with a woman being a pilot. Like Writer and Cat said, it's sci-fi, someone has to be the pilot. Traveling to various planets is almost a requirement for sci-fi.


ilona said...

I want to know why it isn't remarkable that men write about male spaceship pilots? Why shouldn't women be spaceship pilots in SFRs? It's like saying that they are housekeepers or secretaries in contemporaries - it's a job that fits the genre!!

I like the differences the female writers bring to their characters even though all of them are pilots and it's those differences that really count in the long run.


Anne Elizabeth Baldwin said...

Kristin, I'm sorry. My comment about your novel was poorly thought out. I could blame a bad weekend for my thoughtlessness, but the truth is that I should have been more careful. {apologetic smile}

Anne Elizabeth Baldwin


Kristin Landon said...

Anne, I'm sorry to have given the wrong impression with my post. I was not bothered or offended one bit by your comments. You made an interesting point, Heather elaborated on it, and I was moved to respond. But out of interest in the topic, not because I've got a thin skin. Believe me, I don't.

A good conversation rarely involves everyone agreeing about everything!


NathalieGray said...

The bit that made me go "hey!" was this:

"a cliched [sic] convention" First, it's cliché, not cliched, because the first is already in its past participle/adjective form. Cliched does not exist.

But that's a bit of a rant. Pardon me.

Why is a cliché? Is it so hard to believe a lot of women could be pilots? If a lot of the male protagonists were pilots (and a lot of them *are*), would someone say "damn, lots a guys pilots, eh". I don't think anyone would notice. But because it's gals who are pilots in some SFR books, someone calls it a "convention". Because it HAS to be a tool, right, it can't just be because it's a cool actiony job for a SFR heroine or something. And then it's also a cliché, because, again it can't be plausible, so many female pilots. It has to be a PLOY.

Yes, it bugs me that folks would pick on stuff like that. How many years, decades, CENTURIES have we endured where the main protagonist was a guy (pilot, lawyer, doctor), always the top dog with the top job, with the female sidekick as parure, nothing more than window dressing.

Just like in Star Trek, that doctor was supposed to be a woman, but noooo, they had to make her a nurse. Because making her a doctor would have been such a cliché convention...


NathalieGray said...

Just as an aside, those two covers are MIGHTY FINE!


mdep said...

Hi Heather,

as you might have guessed, there is not much that I agreed with in the review that you mentioned. :)

Having a female protagonist with the ability to pilot an organic ship is hardly a plot device. In fact, in the case of Dark Space, it is integral to one of the main themes of the book - repression.

Thank you for bringing this up.

best
Marianne de Pierres


Heather Massey said...

One of the major appeals of SFR to readers, I believe, is this cultural evolution.

Hear, hear!

Oh, Tez, I forgot about Leela! I really should do a post on Futurama, eh?

fighter pilots are statistically more likely to father girls than boys

Fascinating.

Regarding the issue of "the right breeding" in THE HIDDEN WORLDS, my take is that there's an underlying commentary about how backwards that attitude is and how in this universe, it could mean the death and destruction of millions if allowed to continue. Part of Linnea Kiaho's fight is not only the enemy but also against elitism among her own race. Additionally, those with the "right breeding" have certain reasons for maintaining the status quo. Basically, I felt as though it was believable given the backstory provided. Anyone else's mileage may vary.

That said, if Kristin Landon hadn't explained all of the sociopolitical/cultural reasons behind the "right breeding" issue, I'd have been pretty dang annoyed.

Kristin, I don't think anyone believes the authors influenced one another in any way. Pure coincidence. A pattern was detected, is all. Each book was fresh enough for me that like I blogged, I didn't even notice the similarity! And...what Writer and Cat said.

And if another book came out with such a heroine, heck yeah, I'd read it.

Lisa, well said.

Liana, my bad--"innate" talent refers to a pilot's biological/psi/bio-engineered ability to navigate a starship through hyperspace.

Ilona, exactly.

Nathalie, that's the part that made me go, huh? Would Ms. White have had the same reaction if she read five books in a row about male pilots? It's one thing to say one is tired of pilots with innate talents to navigate starships vs. singling them out according to gender.


Ella Drake said...

Like Writer and Cat said, there are only so many jobs to have on a small craft. If it's a small enough ship, "pilot" may be the only job. Why not have the pilot be a woman?

However, in all honesty...
I did note the similarity between Grimspace and The Hidden Worlds & it's not that the two protagonists are women, it's that they both have a special ability for a specific kind of travel that they were born with (not the same as the Force, BTW, because having the Force only made Luke & Anakin better pilots, not the only ones who could have those types of jobs).

Anyway, I noted it, but it didn't detract from the stories, which were both unique. The heroines themselves are very different, so the similarity got lost. In Grimspace, Jax had been celebrated for her ability and became a bit of a celebrity. In Hidden Worlds, Linnea had basically the opposite status.

To me, the books we're discussing are showing the problems and social impacts of keeping these jobs in an elitist status. So, not cliché.

The bottom line for me is...
I don't care if it's cliché or not. Give me more!


Jess Granger said...

Well, are we counting all of Sue Grant's pilots? I think she's earned the right to write about female pilots.

As for Grimspace and Hidden Worlds, I believe that's called synergy? There's a phenomenon of two writers writing a seemingly unique concept at the same time without either knowing what the other is doing. It happens all the time. I'd hardly call that a trend.

What I think it points out more than anything is how few books are in this subgenre, if you can group three or four together and call that a cliche.


Frances said...

Great posts everyone. I've been AWOL because of "interesting times" on my hill, and am now playing catch-up. One thing that I don't believe that I saw mentioned is that many of the SFR authors who write about heroine pilots are themselves pilots. Where is the cliche in writing what you know? Are these real-world women pilot/authors cliches?


Angelia Sparrow said...

I'm not crazy about the whole "innate ability to do anything" idea.

I like my female pilots and captains: Brede Shipspouse, Helva the brainship, Margaret Alexander the Captain of the USS Saratoga (NCC-1867), to have worked for their piloting ability.

There can be skill sets that are innate, such as splendid hand-eye coordination (including the ability to--while drunk--stand on your head and play ring-toss) but piloting itself has to be a huge collection of such skills.

And just because you can fly a single-seat ship or a freights doesn't mean you can fly a capital ship. Yes, same idea, but different skills. Like driving a car and driving a semi, both are driving, but they are different.

But that's me so take my opinion for what it's worth.


Kristin Landon said...

Yet novels are often about people with special talents or abilities. There's drama built into that, especially if there are barriers between the talented person and what she could do with her talent.

Angelia, you wouldn't say the skill sets you mention are enough to set the people who have them apart? Even if there's nothing mystical about them? Most of us couldn't even try to pilot anything. That's maybe another explanation for the appeal of pilots as characters—they're inherently independent, inherently wanderers, and they aren't like most of us.


calico-reaction said...

Wow, I don't check my email for a week and look what pops up!

I should clarify a few things about my comments:

1) I don't mind female pilots. Bring them on.
2) It's the "innate ability" that's starting to drive me bonkers.
3) I never meant to suggest that any of these authors were copying each other. I'm very well aware that people tend to come up with similiar ideas aroundabouts the same time, and it was never my intention to point fingers and say, "Ooh, this author copied this author!" I don't believe that, and frankly, I never will.

To be more eloquent, minus the numbered lists: if you don't want to use the term cliche, I will say it's a trend: Kay Kenyon's SEEDS OF TIME features a heroine who has the innate/genetic ability to pilot starships, but I didn't add that one to my list because I haven't read it and I don't know how it works--I'm basing that off the blurb, which could be wrong. But that one is not SFR. But I'm noticing that the women writers I'm reading (if there's men doing this with male pilots, I haven't come across it, so please, point me in the direction!) are all doing very similar things. I know they aren't copying each other, and in the case of Asaro, Aguirre, and Landon, I enjoy their works of fiction and I'm still reading their books. It didn't hit me as a peeve until I came across a book I didn't like (sorry, MdP, and I should further point out the reason I didn't like it had little to nothing to do with the genetic, innate ability, that just became something to dwell on) that I sat back and wondered WHY we keep seeing heroines who aren't just PILOTS, but are EXTRA-SPECIAL and have the innate, genetic ability to fly ships and/or navigate hyperspace. I'm reading it all at once it seems and in some ways, it's like vampire fiction. For a while, I didn't hear much about it, and now it's everywhere.

My question, and this isn't necessarily to the authors named above, but is more general: if you have a heroine in an SF novel, who is a pilot, why can't she just be a pilot? And if she must be different than your average pilot, why must it be this innate, genetic ability to fly ships? Why not something else? It's a question worth considering for any writer, male or female, because it's reached a point, in my little, possibly imaginary, world, that said writer will need to be aware of what's out there and what their target audience is reading, and then really consider how different they want to make their heroine (or hero!) who has the genetic/innate ability to pilot starships/navigate hyperspace. Because the target audience has seen it before.

However, vampires are still going strong, and obviously, there's a strong contingent of readers who don't care. I just don't want to get burnt out on a trend, however coincidental it might be.

I do hope this comment makes sense. I apologize if that review--written a while ago, I might add--made it appear as if I were accusing any of the authors of stealing each other's ideas. That was never my intent.


calico-reaction said...

Oh, and question for NathalieGray:

"Cliched does not exist"

It doesn't? Aside from my lack of accent mark, my dictionary says it does, as an adjective, which is what I'm using it as. Your comment disturbs me, as I like to correct errors in my posts, but since I'm not using it as a noun, then I don't see my error.

Maybe I'm too tired for grammar tonight...


Lexy said...

I think if you're going to call out a specific trope that has nothing to do with the gender of the main character but everything to do with 'innate abilities,' then you shouldn't name only female main characters as following this trope or single out female MCs as worthy of criticism.

There are a TON of overused main character clichés in genre fiction. They're clichés because people people seem to like them. There are things that can fix that problem, like inventing new ones.

Until gender parity is achieved in SF&F (and really, we are SO not there yet, much less even *off the ground* in terms of transgendered people, hello!) I'm not inclined to see tropes as gendered problems unless they're actually, you know, *sexist.*

There are plenty of sexist tropes and clichés out there. Let's go subvert a few.


calico-reaction said...

Lexy, that's a good point. When I originally wrote the rant last September, I'd unfairly singled out the heroines who have this talent, even though the very authors I cited also have heroes who can do the same thing. To be honest, even then the trend (I shouldn't have called it a cliche even then, but I was ranting and not thinking as clearly and objectively as I should, a lesson I've learned from since) didn't bother me, it was the book in that particular review that set me off. It was a timing thing.

And really, it's a question of curiosity for me from a writing standpoint: why are women writers (I'm not saying male writers don't do it, I just haven't read those stories and therefore can't compare) attracted to this particular talent in SF? And I still wonder why being a pilot just isn't enough? After all, Kara Thrace, aka Starbuck, on BSG was a fantastic character, but she didn't have some freaky genetic ability that allowed her to fly (no, Ron Moore did something else to make her uber-special, but we won't go there). It's a question I'd like to explore one day when I've got the time and patience, as it's a learning tool for me.

Also a learning tool has been this particular post. While my review style has changed since last September, when this review was written (I used to review books as soon as I finished them, now I'm waiting a few days, if not a week, to let the stories settle and so I can figure out what I want to say), I do need to remember that when I do feel the urge to nitpick for whatever reason, I need to be absolutely clear what I'm picking on. I wasn't clear in this case, and I'm sorry for that misunderstanding.


Heather Massey said...

Ms. de Pierres, thanks for commenting. I endeavor to leave no SFR stone unturned!

Hi, Calico! Thanks for stopping by to comment.

And if she must be different than your average pilot, why must it be this innate, genetic ability to fly ships?Because the target audience has seen it before.

However, vampires are still going strong, and obviously, there's a strong contingent of readers who don't care


I think you answered your own question! For me, it's not the particular job a character has, it's the execution. Even so, I hear you on not getting burnt out on a trend. What's great about SF is one has a selection of wildly different stories from the various subgenres, and perhaps because of this the tolerance for repetition is lower--we have an expectation of being presented with the unexpected in each successive story, not more of the same.

I'm just not sure we're there yet with regards to heroine pilots with innate abilities.

writer will need to be aware of what's out there

Except they can't know if the other books are being written at about the same time. Yet the onus is on authors to do something different, unique, and refreshing with such characters, even if there are a hundred other similar characters already in existence.

Let's go subvert a few

@Lexi I like the way you talk.


Shara S. White said...

Hi, Heather! Thanks for responding. :)

One thing that's been BEATEN into my head as a writer (not a published one, mind you, but one who's learning) in workshops over and over is to know your genre. While two writers doing similar things at the same moment can't help what they're doing, a different writer, who's still developing, can know his/her genre and allow that to influence his/her writing.

A writer can say, "Oooh, look at all the writers who've done A! I'm doing to subvert it a bit, so it's similar but different!"

Or a writer can say, "You know what, I like this trend, and I don't care if the target audience has seen it a BILLION times. I'm going to do it and have fun, darn it!"

It all depends on the writer and his/her execution, and I can enjoy both versions, depending on the execution. And to be honest, I'm not really tired of this trend, I just read a bunch of different authors at once and my brain was flipping out.

That review you quoted, that was one of my worse rants. I'm surprised you stumbled upon it to be honest, but nothing should surprise me at this stage. :)

BTW: the covers are quite lovely. The cover of the MdP was what drew me to the title to begin with. :)

And I'm going to start signing in under my name instead of my LJ account. The LJ account, on this blog, doesn't show the real name, so there's no use in it.


Heather Massey said...

That review you quoted

Shara, it was actually the footnote that I found first, and that interested me the most. I google like there's no tomorrow when I'm developing features :P. I found your post while doing some research for something else, and tucked it away for future reference.

Aren't readers funny? While your brain was flipping, mine didn't even make the connection. Patterns like that fascinate me--especially since they aren't planned. The synergy, as Jess referred to it.


Anonymous said...

Hmm, well, SOMEone has to fly the ship, don't they?

I have noticed a lot of female starship pilots between novels and TV but I just figure it's about darned time. LOL. I don't mind them. I wish there were more novels starring Enlisted folks though.

Anna

calico-reaction asked why women writers would be attracted to writing female pilots. Maybe it's the freedom and power envolved in flying. They can go anywhere they want if they fly/own their own ship. Or they can be in control of a ship if it's not theirs.


Shara S. White said...

Anna (or Anonymous):

But the real question I was asking, the one I hope I clarified in comments, wasn't why women writers are attracted to writing female pilots, but female pilots with this SPECIAL CRAZY TALENT to do so. Rather than of the Starbuck variety, a pilot who just happens to be female.

There's a huge difference in the two, even though I'm having a helluva time making that clear. :)


AnnaM. said...

Shara,

I got the distinction in your posts.

I read a lot of SF and have branched into SFR in the last few years, but I *haven't* read many novels with the "special talent" for piloting so I didn't even know there were a lot out there. Most of the books with female pilots that I've read were the Starbuck variety--Linnea Sinclair's books for example. Personally I didn't think Catherine Asaro's characters (Soz) had that special talent since they were all (male and female) enhanced with implants to be pilots.

I haven't read the other books mentioned.

Maybe I just haven't gotten to them yet. I do have Grimspace in my TBR Room.


Shara S. White said...

Anna (and anyone else who can answer this for me):

I've read the first three in the Asaro series (PRIMARY INVERSION, CATCH THE LIGHTNING, and THE LAST HAWK), and I remember the implant, but for some reason, I'm remembering there was something really important about genetics too and I may be merging the two in my poor brain. Was the importance of genetics relating to the psi ability? And did the psi ability have anything to do with piloting?


AnnaM. said...

I haven't read the series in a couple of years so I may misremember.

Yes, it was relating to the psi ability. And it was Soz's whole family, not just her.

Her family were the "Royals" who controlled and manipulated a psychic communications web that glued all of human society together. Others could be made able to work inside it, but her family was somehow genetically linked to the alien artifacts that created the communications web. They were, in essence, the keys that unlocked the technology. But Soz was just a regular pilot, albeit a very talented one (ala Kirk) who made rank fast and young. I thought her "gift" lay in strategy or something. I can't remember now.

The web played a part in interstellar travel too, I believe. Without it I believe they were flying blind if they wanted to go long distances.


Laurie said...

Late to the party again. *sigh*

What a great discussion. I have a couple of novels with female pilots, so it was interesting to hear (and mull) all the different comments and opinions.


Andrew said...

I've read Dark Space and Chaos Space a twice now.
I think these critisisms are a load of crap and just a bit sexist!
Mira was an exception, all the other biozone pilots were men.
The central characters in my novel are women and yes, have piloting skills.
The idea of a femal character that is the focus of a story comes naturally to me, just about all the women in my family were strong, capable people, whilst just about all the males I grew up with were useless drunken fuck ups!
I would have thought in this day and age female characters should be more than just window dressing just waiting for a chance to twist thier ankles!
To make it sound like Marrianne De Pierres' et al, have conjured up a cliche is just whack!


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